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Article: The Haunted Jacobite Trail
« on: March 31, 2009, 08:44:05 PM »

James Radcliffe, 3rd Earl of Derwentwater

At the beginning of the twenty-first century, the term 'Jacobite' is familiar to most people only through old buildings and other references, such as rooms being labelled 'The Jacobite Room' in many of the region's stately homes. But who exactly were the Jacobites, and what was the origin of the Jacobite cause?

In 1688, the 'Glorious Revolution' established William of Orange and Mary Stuart on the English Throne, and saw the deposed King James II fleeing to France. The Latin name for James is Jacobus, and it is from this Latin name that the supporters of the deposed King James gained the label Jacobites.

King William and Queen Mary had no children, and when they died the throne passed to Mary's younger sister Anne. She died in 1714, again leaving no children to succeed her.

A distant relation to hers, the Protestant George, Elector of Hanover, was crowned King of England and the Catholic Jacobites decided it was time to act.

In 1715, the first Jacobite uprising took place in an attempt to place James II's son (James II himself had died in 1701), Prince James Francis Edward Stuart on the English throne and overthrow George I. On the 6th September 1715, the Earl of Mar raised the Stuart banner at Braemar in the Scottish Highlands, and by a month later the English Jacobites had mobilised, led by James Radcliffe, third Earl of Derwentwater and Thomas Forster, MP.

The Northumbrians waited for two weeks for French reinforcements, and when the latter failed to appear, the English Jacobites marched north to Kelso to meet with a large force of Highlanders.

The combined force travelled south down the western side of the Pennines and met the Government army in Battle, where the Jacobites were defeated on the 14th November. Over 1500 Jacobites were taken prisoner, many being executed in Lancashire. A couple of hundred prisoners were taken to London to face trial for Treason. Lords Derwentwater and Widdrington, as well as five Scottish lords, were taken to the Tower of London, with Thomas Forster and Charles Radcliffe (the younger brother of the Earl) being taken to Newgate along with a number of other gentlemen.

James Radcliffe, Third Earl of Derwentwater, was found guilty and executed alongside Lord Kenmure, a Scottish peer, on Tower Hill on the 24th February 1716. Lord Widdrington, given the same sentence, was later reprieved and in a venture that has nearly as much folklore surrounding it as it has history, Charles Radcliffe and Thomas Forster escaped from gaol and fled to France. James III then set up a court in Rome and lived there for the rest of his life.

In 1745, James III's eldest son, Prince Charles Edward Stuart, known as 'Bonnie Prince Charlie', sailed to Scotland and led the second Jacobite uprising. Opposed by the English General Pope at Dunbar in the September of that year, the Jacobites won a decisive victory and moved south to within 130 miles of London before it is said dissention arose in the Jacobite ranks. Once again, the promised French reinforcements didn't show up, and the Jacobite forces were repelled at Derby. The Jacobite forces moved back north and took a final stand at Culloden where they were defeated by the English Army. Bonnie Prince Charlie escaped, but the English chose to make an example of the Highlands, with brutal slaughter and suppression reported.

The wearing of kilts and the Tartan was outlawed and the Jacobite cause was lost. The Prince himself lived to the age of 67 in Rome, where he died reportedly an alcoholic. Again, this uprising was suppressed, the Battle of Culloden in 1746 seeing the defeat of the Jacobite army and the slaughter of those suspected in adhering to the Jacobite cause.

Needless to say, the Jacobite Rebellion has left its mark in Ghost Stories around the North-East, the most famous one probably being the ghosts of Dilston Castle.


Dilston Castle and Chapel, 2004

Dilston, or 'Historic Dilston' as the landscape has come to be known, is situated on the southern bank of the Devilswater (near Corbridge) in the county of Northumberland. In 1888, the Reverend Heslop wrote in the 'Monthly Chronicle':

"The Hall is behind us, and its tragic story haunts the place. It is but a generation since the trampling of hoofs and the clatter of harness was heard on the brink of the steep here, revealing to that trembling listener that 'the Earl' yet galloped with spectral troops across the haugh. Undisturbed, as the reverent hands of his people had laid him and his severed head, the Earl himself had rested hardly in the little vault for a whole century; yet the troops have been seen by the country people over and over again as they swept and swerved through the dim mist of the hollow dene."

Over recent years, the grounds of Dilston Castle and Chapel, now in the grounds of the MENCAP college (Dilston Hall) near to Corbridge have seen a number of possibly paranormal occurances, from a man being seen staring out of one of the castle windows wearing a long curled wig (much like the Earl himself would have worn) to cold spots and strange feelings of being watched being reported by people in the chapel. A couple of years ago, a small group of people camped by Dilston Bridge at Halloween in the hope of witnessing one of the many spectres reported there, and claim to have seen a man shining in moonlight run across the bridge and quite literally through the temporary gate set up across its width: however, this was no ancient ghost, but described as a man in what looked like a jogging suit! There have also been reports of mysterious shadowy figures chasing people down the roads around the Hall and college - reports usually by soild people with no wish or need to make anything up or embellish tales. Historic Dilston was investigated by Otherworld North East on the 18th of June 2004 and consequently on the 5th August 2005, the team investigating the Bridge, the Chapel, the Castle and the current Hall (not the original which was demolished in the 1700s).

The Castle produced a number of photographic and video light anomalies, including a blue-tinged mist, dowsing results, environmental fluctuations not in keeping with natural state, as well as ultrasound readings - from the bats! The Chapel prduced minor poltergeist activity with an environmental meter bag being thrown 6feet, a number of sound and light anomalies, dowsing results, power fluctuations and intermittent EMF bursts. The Bridge over the Devilswater on both investigations produced visible apparitions, with two figures being seen by 3 investigators in 2004 and then a single figure being seen by 3 investigators in 2005. Numerous visible light anomalies were present and recorded, with minor dowsing results. The Hall itself proved reasonably quiet in August 2005, with dowsing results, a few environmental fluctuations and light anomalies being caught on video camera. The sound of a door was also heard opening and closing in an area of the Hall where it was known that no-one was present.

Of course, Historic Dilston isn't the only Jacobite site to report ghostly activity.

Bamburgh Castle, one of the most famous of the Northumbrian Coastal castles has a number of ghost stories attached to it, and it, as well as nearby Bamburgh Hall has many Jacobite connections. Tradition has it that General Tom Forster met with the Scottish forces to plan the attack at Bamburgh Hall. After his capture and imprisonment in the Tower of London, his sister, Dorothy Forster (of Blanchland) is said to have mounted a cunning rescue. The newly escaped Tom is said to have then hidden in a secret room at Bamburgh Castle until he fled to France.

Down in Blanchland itself, the Lord Crewe Arms is said to be one of the most haunted buildings in the region, haunted by the aggrieved and worried spirit of Dorothy Forster as well as white cowled monks.

In Stamfordham, Northumberland, residents of the flats and houses that now occupy the building which once was an inn where the first plots are said to have been hatched report numerous ghostly goings-on, as does the Miner's Arms in Warworth where the Jacobean leaders are said to have stayed and eaten a meal.

Across in Cumbria, Nenthead, once owned by the earl of Derwentwater, also sees its share of ghosts, a diagnostic investigation at the Mining Museum there showing up surprising results...

It seems that wherever the Jacobite cause held sway, you will find tales of ghosts and the supernatural as well as excellent historical remains and rich history.


Lindisfarne and Bamburgh Castles

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Re: Article Discussion: The Haunted Jacobite Trail
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 11:28:43 AM »
A Very Interesting article.

I've always been quite interested in the Jacobite uprisings, the '15 and the '45... though the '15 was a much more prolonged series of events the '45 gets the vast majority of coverage as far as media documentation goes.

I must admit i'm a follower of this trend too, i've written a peice on the '45 uprising and the Battle of Culloden for my own website. (If I can figure out how I might add the link).

I've been looking into the "Preston Fight" for a while now actually and in itself it was a very strange encounter, between two commanders who didn't seem to know what they were doing.

Thomas Forster and James Radcliffe (Radclyffe?) had at their disposal large contingents of what might be termed Dragoons, (soldiers with horses) and Highland Clansmen, mostly from Macintosh, Farqharson and Chatton clans under command of Macintosh of Borlum (Old Borlum as he was known). It would seem the Highlanders did not relish the prosepct of going south of the Border...

Near Hawick the Highlanders left the main column and assembled on a nearby hill declaring they would fight the enemy but they would not go to England. "Upon this Dispute, the Horse surrounded the Foot, in order to force them to march South; whereupon the Highlanders cocked their Firelocks and said, if they were to be made a Sacrifice, they would choose to have it done in their own Country."

After being persuaded to move south the Highlanders and English Jacobites met up and moved towards Preston, which on the 9th November 1715 Cavalry secured the town, some of which moved on to take possession of a key bridge beyond. The Infantry moved into Preston on the 10th and the Cavalry at the bridge were ordered back to town, a big mistake, for if the Jacobites had defended the bridge they may have won. As it was a Government Army commanded by General Wills had arrived to invest the town. Leadership of the Jacobites at Preston fell to Thomas Forster, an M.P who did not know a Lochaber from a toothpick, yet he was put in overall command not just because of his position in parliament, but also because of his association with the Church of England, although at odds with the Catholics it was seen as a shrewd move to have him in charge. In fact they could not have picked a worse leader. The Macintosh Brigade (as the Highland formation was called) had taken up position to the northwest of the town, defending the "Windmill" barricade, with a second fall back position... neccessary because of the possibility of an outflanking attack along the narrow alleyways.

The attack by Wills' men came at about 2 o'clock on the afternoon when 200 men (around 2 companies) attacked from the east, they were met with heavy fire from Jacbite infantry including Highlanders, it is reported that in 10 minutes the Government troops lost 120 casualties to this attack.

A further attack was launched later int he day with similar results. As night fell both sides settled down to a siege, all except Forster, who started negotiating surrender with the General Wills, at the same time the Scots were planning on assaultign the Government army, when they heard what forster wa splanning their was almost a mutiny.

When the Scots realized Forster's intention of surrendering everybody to the enemy, another emissary was sent to try for separate terms for the Scotsmen. The terms, however, remained the same but the Scots were given until the following morning to make a decision. "All the traditional dislike between English and Scots had reached a head, and had Forster left his inn he would have 'been cut to pieces' in the street by the Scots."

For an extension time General Wills asked for two hostages to be taken, the two which came forwards were Colonel Macintosh and James Radcliffe, Lord Derwentwater.

During the night both sides' commanders showed how unsuitable they were for Generalship, firstly the Governemnt troops set houses on fire so the Jacobite within would flee, all this did was illuminate the Government troops who were hit by Musket fire. Then Forster ordered his own troops to do the same, which caused many Jacobites to become focus points for sniper fire.

Full surrender occured the following day, with the majority of the rank and file English and Highland soldiers eventually being deported to the English American Colonies, though they spent the winter of 15-16 locked inside Preston Parish Church, as no suitable prison was ready for such a large number of men. Officers were sentenced in trials in the immediate area of Preston while the high ranking nobles were either executed at Preston, or taken south to await trial. More than one nobleman escaped from captivity, James Radclifee was not one of them.

Like many battles numbers of casualties vary, the Jacobite lost no more than 50 men, whilst the Government forces lost about 250. Around 900 Scottish prisoners were taken in total, while perhaps another 350-400 English Jacobites were taken prisoner.

Along with other disasterous results for the Jacobite cause the '15 Rising never truly got off the ground, Bonnie Prince Charlies tried again thirty years later... but thats a different story.

My Culloden article.
http://www.freewebs.com/paranormalhistory/apps/blog/show/217275-culloden-1746

Info on the Highlanders at Preston.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mcqu/1715.html

CJ  :-)
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Re: Article Discussion: The Haunted Jacobite Trail
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 02:02:59 PM »
It's reckoned that Brigardier William Macintosh had 2,000 men at his disposal, 600 horses and 1,400 foot soldiers. The Scots favoured moving to Stirling in order to cut off the Hanoverian army that was stopping the Earl of Mar's main Jacobite force from moving south but the English wanted to turn back and attack General Carpenter who was moving up from Newcastle.
As we know they did neither and with over half the Highland force deserting they were left with only a Jacobite army numbering 1,600 and under the ineffectual command of Thomas Forster.
It would have been a different story if they could have agreed tactics in the first place, wouldn't it?  :rolleyes:
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Re: Article Discussion: The Haunted Jacobite Trail
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2009, 10:24:39 PM »
Oh definately, though I still doubt the forces under Forster would have got much further had they beaten Wills at Preston. I doubt Forster wanted to fight at all, maybe hoping that the mere prescence of the Highlanders south of the border would raise English Jacobite support as well as dampen any other opposition. Course it turned out different, a dodgy General called Wills took on an MP called Forster, both sides showed their ineptitude to command a large force, especially in a night action, whilst it was inevitable Forster would fall out with the Scottish contingent, I wonder if Wills knew that though... if so he could have simply bottled up the Jacobites and not wasted men in futile attacks.

An interesting peice of our past non-the less.

BTW, where do you stand on the "last battle in England" question?
Sedgemoor 1685
Preston Fight 1715
Clifton moor 1745

I suppose it could be argued all three were battles in some way, but of course Preston was a siege with small skirmishes taking place as opposed to major assaults... likewise Clifton moor was a larger Skirmish. But thats my take on it anyway lol.

CJ :)
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Re: Article Discussion: The Haunted Jacobite Trail
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2009, 11:12:45 PM »
They had no chance of winning at Preston. Macintosh assumed overall command when they got there but it was too little too late. They'd had high hopes when Lord Widdrington came carrying letters from so-called friends in Lancashire promising huge support but it never transpired. They were taken by surprise by the arrival of government forces  and were completely overwhelmed despite Wills' troops suffering heavy casualties. The arrival of General Carpenter was the proverbial nail in the coffin though because he had massive reinforcements.
 I think that Forster and Radcliffe were idealists who were no match for the government but that's why I love their story and feel drawn to Dilston. It was the loyalty and passion in those mens' hearts that drove them.
Their failure meant the end of any chance that the Stuarts would regain the throne but depite their lack of military knowledge and infighting they followed their hearts.
France withdrawing its support didn't help but what's new there?  ;)

I'll come back to you on the "last battle in England" question later. I need a few moments for another few sobs for James Radcliffe and Anna Maria. Can you imagine the trauma she went through when she gave birth to their daughter , Anna Maria Barbara shortly after his execution?  :-(
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2009, 10:26:31 AM »
Thinking about it I'd agree with you when it come to Preston and more so with regard to Clifton. I don't think it was ever considered more than a skirmish and it's not that well documented but I suppose the Jacobites considered it important.

I'd class Sedgemoor as the "last battle in England" simply because it was a pitched battle.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2009, 02:18:43 AM »
Or theres always Sir William Courtney aka "Mad Tom" and Bossendon wood in 1838, involved the first officer killed in action under Queen Victoria's reign and a handful of other casualties.

Looking back at casualty figures for Preston Fight it would seem more savage than another battle fought just a few years later, the Battle of Glenshiel, in which under two hundred died in the battle. But then again I don't think theres such a thing as an accurate description of what a battle is or isn't.

I've just ordered a book on the 1715 Jacobite Rebellion to look into it more, the more I find the more I want to find... god I love history lol.

CJ :)
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2009, 08:54:56 AM »
Me too! Be careful though the old bookshelves in my house can't take the strain anymore.  :grin:
I'd recommend two books that I've recently read if you want more on the Jacobites.  'The Stuarts Secret Army:English Jacobites 1689-1752' by Evelyn Lord and 'Damn' Rebel Bitches: The Women of the '45' by Maggie Craig. The Evelyn Lord one is particularly good.
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2009, 12:43:03 PM »
Yes i've already got the Evelyn Lord book, I think Chapter 6 is all about Radcliffe. Very interesting book.

The Book I have ordered is "1715 The Great Jacobite Rebellion. Daniel Szechi. ISBN 0-300-11100-2." Though i've got alot of other books about British history in general which covers the period too. In one of the books, Battles in Britain 1066-1746 by William Seymour a map of Preston at the time of the battle is included, as well as a description of a few places which were around at the time of the battle which are still standing.

CJ :)
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